PenguinBeak
06/17/20 11:09AM
Idea for New Tag: "Truly Safe"
I appreciate the existence of this website as it allows me, a Catholic, to avoid exposure to excessively sexually enticing material however I think that more can be done. In its current state, using this site means that I am still exposed to sexually enticing imagery - just of a lower intensity.
Also, consider the following: I'm sure "safebooru" gets its name because its images are putatively "Safe For Work", correct? Are sexually enticing images truly safe to view in a work environment?
To resolve my issue and help the site better fulfill its purpose, my request is that a new tag is created for this website: "Truly Safe".

The "Truly Safe" tag would be applied to images that one believes would not arouse the passions in the average man.

Thank you for reading. I appreciate any feedback.
SOHEI
06/19/20 06:57PM
I come here for pretty much the same reason. I'm not sure "truly safe" would be a good tag simply because "sexually enticing" is kinda subjective.

However, I have a solution! If you go to

My Account -> options -> Blacklist

You can configure a list of tags you would NOT like to show up when you go searching. Some people (including myself) have found that sometimes the Options page won't let you set it, but once you do it's a great feature. I've got a list of various things that usually end up erotic (e.g. swimsuit), certain franchises that are known for more risque fanart (e.g. kantai_collection and fate_(series)), or artists that draw erotic art (e.g. houtengeki). I also filter out franchises that I'm just not a fan of.

Seriously, the blacklist is an awesome feature - when the options page lets you set it. Customize it to filter out whatever you're not comfortable seeing, but just keep in mind: 1. The tagging around here is kinda chaotic. Setting up a blacklist will sometimes filter out stuff that's fine. 2. Other times it will let stuff through because someone forgot to tag something in the pic.

Finally if you ever see something that is honest-to-goodness sexually explicit, do the admins a solid and flag it for deletion
Night_Wing
06/26/20 04:28AM
We appreciate your concerns on the topic, However, the Danbooru bot is not 100% accurate, and as you can see and sometimes it uploads from questionable to a bit of NSFW content which immediately bites the dust as soon as any mod or admin see it by browsing through the pages or has it been reported. (we do see them every time!)

If you feel a picture or comment that should not be here by any means we truly encourage users to use the built-in function of "flag for deletion" with its reason why needs to be deleted. :)
PenguinBeak
06/28/20 11:34AM
SOHEI said:
I come here for pretty much the same reason. I'm not sure "truly safe" would be a good tag simply because "sexually enticing" is kinda subjective.

I understand that there's an issue of subjectivity with regards to the issue of how sexually enticing an image is which is why I suggested that a "Truly Safe" tag be applied to images the average man would not find enticing i.e. we would rely on our image of the average man's reactions rather than our own personal reactions. I think this is possible since I believe there is a strong enough consensus on what's acceptable for children's TV i.e. content that doesn't assail the innocence of a child.
While the question of whether or not the content is acceptable for child viewing is a good one, if you seek a more objective guideline, I think the guidelines given by Pope Pius XI may be desirable.
http://www.olvrc.com/reference/documents/Modesty.Pius.XI.pdf

SOHEI said:
Seriously, the blacklist is an awesome feature - when the options page lets you set it. Customize it to filter out whatever you're not comfortable seeing, but just keep in mind: 1. The tagging around here is kinda chaotic. Setting up a blacklist will sometimes filter out stuff that's fine. 2. Other times it will let stuff through because someone forgot to tag something in the pic.

Thank you for revealing the blacklist to me however I would like to say that a "Truly Safe" tag would still be superior. Consider the failures when using the blacklist vs when viewing images tagged as "Truly Safe":
Using the blacklist excludes images that are tagged with an undesired tag. As you said, in order for this method to fail, somebody has to fail to tag an image with its appropriate tags. When this happens, the result is that you're exposed to an image that's definitely undesirable.
When one views images tagged as "Truly Safe", every image you're exposed to should be absolutely safe to view. This method fails firstly, when a person fails to tag a truly safe image as "Truly Safe" and secondly, when someone incorrectly tags an image that isn't truly safe with the tag. With regards to the first failure, the result is merely that one misses out on an image they could've viewed. With regards to the second, I have faith that the members of a community dedicated to safe images would have a strong sense of what kind of images would be viewable by children, viewable in the workplace and would fail to be enticing to the average man so I don't believe this to truly be an issue.
In conclusion then, as it's far better to be unexposed to potentially desirable images than to be exposed to definitely undesirable images, the "Truly Safe" tag would be a boon to the booru.


Night_Wing said:
We appreciate your concerns on the topic, However, the Danbooru bot is not 100% accurate, and as you can see and sometimes it uploads from questionable to a bit of NSFW content which immediately bites the dust as soon as any mod or admin see it by browsing through the pages or has it been reported. (we do see them every time!)

If you feel a picture or comment that should not be here by any means we truly encourage users to use the built-in function of "flag for deletion" with its reason why needs to be deleted. :)

Well, you seem kind but I don't think you mean what you're saying.
On this booru, I can see that there are a lot of pictures with the "swimsuit" tag. If you are true to your word then, when I flag for deletion what would probably be the vast majority of the swimsuit-tagged images, you would be willing to delete them. Considering how risque they are and simultaneously how nothing's been done about them, I'm quite certain that the users of this site, whilst desiring safe images, deem these to be acceptable. How would they react then if I reported these images to the point of almost total removal? And then, after the swimsuit-slaughter, what tag will be next? And then, after all this, how many images will be left? Are there even that many modest images? Was my quest even worthwhile? The purely user-verified "Truly Safe" tag seems to be the better option here. While I appreciate the hospitality, there's no need to bend the entire site purely to me. It would certainly make more sense to cater to those with higher standards for modesty with the "Truly Safe" tag.

These are my thoughts. Any feedback is appreciated.
Wafer92
07/05/20 08:19PM
SOHEI said:
I come here for pretty much the same reason. I'm not sure "truly safe" would be a good tag simply because "sexually enticing" is kinda subjective.

However, I have a solution! If you go to

My Account -> options -> Blacklist

You can configure a list of tags you would NOT like to show up when you go searching. Some people (including myself) have found that sometimes the Options page won't let you set it, but once you do it's a great feature. I've got a list of various things that usually end up erotic (e.g. swimsuit), certain franchises that are known for more risque fanart (e.g. kantai_collection and fate_(series)), or artists that draw erotic art (e.g. houtengeki). I also filter out franchises that I'm just not a fan of.

Seriously, the blacklist is an awesome feature - when the options page lets you set it. Customize it to filter out whatever you're not comfortable seeing, but just keep in mind: 1. The tagging around here is kinda chaotic. Setting up a blacklist will sometimes filter out stuff that's fine. 2. Other times it will let stuff through because someone forgot to tag something in the pic.

Finally if you ever see something that is honest-to-goodness sexually explicit, do the admins a solid and flag it for deletion




The blacklist option doesn't work, though. What browser are you using? I've tried Chrome and Firefox and the settings simply do not save
SOHEI
07/12/20 12:22AM
Yeah, I've been having trouble using the blacklist option recently too. I use Opera, but if Chrome doesn't work then Opera won't either. They're both Chromium-based browsers. There's a post on the forum about it, drop by there and stay tuned if a solution turns up!
Undeaddragon
12/24/20 01:19AM
I have been to this website multiple times and i keep running into images showing poses exposing butts seductive dresses etc etc, And i simply don't understand why filth like that is allowed on this site, Take from example this image here

https://safebooru.org/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=3298838 on this site it's labeled as safe even though The girl in the background is holding an obvious remote which is most likely connected to a vibrator which is inserted into the other girl,

And yet no one here does any effort of deleting such images like seriously people you're slipping up none of the images that i've found on here is truly safe, Truly safe images should never have Exposive clothing their breasts sticking out and or butt visable, It's bloody sad that things gotta be like this as i want to show certain people that might not be interested in viewing, Seductive images this site but i can't do that cuz of the irresponsible mods/admins this site have,

Like rub your brain together and work for a solution like not relying on an unreliable bot that is bound to make severe mistakes once in a while and upload the images yourselfs that has truly safe images, Some people may sweep this under the carpet but i refuse to do so,

I will express my distaste to the current status of this site regardless of what other people might feel about it, So seriously look over the images CAREFULLY so no parts are sticking out etc so this actually can live up to it's name of Safebooru and not something else starting with Gel,

Yea i get that you might ignore what i write or tell me to use the blacklist etc But i'm giving you this information so you may all know how instable this sight is beneath it's comfy blanket, What only lays under it, Is lazy people refusing to go over images carefully and whatever which results to the many mistakes you can see around this site now,

But you can still make this site better just head my advice or contact me personally if you want to discuss the changes this site desperately il gladly provide you with visable solutions compared to what you are running on now.
SOHEI
12/24/20 04:01AM
Undeaddragon, I do understand your frustration. I certainly wish this site was safer too, but you have to understand this isn't laziness.

At the time I am posting, this site currently has 3,171,089 images. Let us say that someone was hired full-time (40 hours a week) to go through every image to determine which images are safe and those which are not. Even if it only took them 30 seconds to evaluate each image *it would still take them 12.7 years to go through the entire site*. And that's assuming that no new images are uploaded!

If you want the site to have filtering as thorough as you desire, an automated solution is the only way. Currently, I don't think that the booru paradigm has the power for that sort of detection and organization. I mean, I don't know much about it, since I've never worked with it personally, but from what I've heard it's pretty stiff: it stores images and grabs them. There's little room for anything else.

You mentioned getting rid of the bots as a possible solution. I can see how this would be appealing. I mean, I would say that not only does solve the issue of safe images, but it can also function as quality control. Some images here are duplicates or just a slight alteration of another image.

Still, I think a hybrid solution would be necessary. Let's say I have 30 images that I know are safe. Even then, I will have to upload each one, tag it, etc. This is kind of tedious. Creating a tool to streamline the uploading workflow would be necessary, because otherwise most people won't bother uploading. In fact, most people who access this site don't upload much as it is, and if you dig enough you'll find plenty of images with only 2-3 tags since the original uploader didn't feel like adding any more.

Getting angry doesn't solve anything. It seems as if you had some changes in mind. If you're willing to calmly present them, we'll gladly have a discussion.
Dyrone
12/24/20 04:01AM
I think a more reasonable solution would to put the responsibility in the hands of uploaders. Of course the bot will shit the bed occasionally considering all it's really doing is copying uploads from other boorus, and Safebooru has no control over what another booru's users do, but there's no reason Safebooru's own users need to do the same. (although if they really wanted to they could solve this issue as well with some sort of approval queue that the bot's uploads would be thrown into FIRST then they could be approved by a real person later).

Instead of having one rating "safe", there should be two..."safe" and "suggestive"...suggestive works are still technically safe but are sexually suggestive in some way like cleavage, lewd expressions, suggestive poses, maybe suggestive text, etc. "safe" would be the cleanest of the clean something you could reasonably show to a family member without them thinking you're showing them softcore porn.

Then make it impossible to upload without consciously selecting one of the two options i.e. the options are blank and until you select one you can't upload. Also include descriptions on the upload page of exactly what both of the options mean so no one can reasonably have the excuse that they didn't understand. That way when someone misuses the ratings you know exactly who did it and you can easily crack down on them because you KNOW they purposefully and knowingly applied that rating.

From there it might even be reasonable to remove users ability to change ratings on images they themselves didn't upload. That way everyone is responsible for their own upload's ratings, which would cut down even further on the investigation a moderator would have to do in order to see who the real rating changer is...it would always be the uploader.

Of course this would require a few minor changes to the site and considering they can't even seem to manage to get tag colors working again I wouldn't get your hopes up for literally anything to change around here ever.
SOHEI
12/24/20 04:15AM
Well, Dyrone, the site does have a "Suggestive" rating, it's called "Questionable". Sadly, it's rarely used. People seem to default to "Safe".

The issue is that the site uses a bot to import a lot of posts from other sites, and there's nothing we can do to moderate users from another website.

Still, this site has an API. Would it be possible to program another bot to search for certain tags and automatically mark them as "Questionable" or even flag them for deletion? The bot itself couldn't delete anything (You don't want that anyway, it could make a mistake and delete something permanently) but it would at least let an admin know.

Like, as an example: let's say we agreed that any images tagged "bikini" should be rated Questionable. The bot would search

/index.php?page=post&s=list&tags=bikini+rating%3asafe

to find all images tagged "bikini" that were still rated safe. It would then set all of these to be rated questionable. You could then add "rating:questionable" to your blacklist

Have it run automatically every 24 hours and hoila! Automatic admin

By the way, I'm editing this comment after re-reading your post Dyrone. I noticed you did address the bot issue. Sorry I missed it, I was pretty tired at the time. I think the approval queue would make sense. I mean, we have a tag called "tagme". Couldn't we have a tag called "reviewme", too?
Night_Wing
12/29/20 12:45AM
We the admins and mods do our best to keep this place safe.
If you see any posts that show way too much simply flag it for deletion so we can handle the rest :).

ADDENDUM: Please note that this site uses a bot to upload on hourly basis pictures from Danbooru so sometimes said bot uploads by accident a questionable/NSFW we browse through the pages and make bite the dust immediately OR simply flag for deletion as well :D.
SOHEI
12/29/20 02:06AM
Still, would a curation bot be plausible? I'm sure that certain tags only ever appear on Explicit/Questionable images, and a bot could help speed up the reporting process.
Dyrone
12/30/20 01:55AM
SOHEI said:
Well, Dyrone, the site does have a "Suggestive" rating, it's called "Questionable". Sadly, it's rarely used. People seem to default to "Safe".

Well the "explicit" rating also exists on the site, doesn't mean one should use it. I kind of took it as a sign that anything other than "safe" was unacceptable considering it's the only option you can select on the upload page. I certainly didn't want to put my own uploads on any sort of "questionable" hit list if it turned out the "questionable" rating isn't acceptable around here...however if some mod or admin tells me it's OK to use I'd gladly start sorting the more suggestive posts into that category.

SOHEI said:
to find all images tagged "bikini" that were still rated safe. It would then set all of these to be rated questionable. You could then add "rating:questionable" to your blacklist

Yeah I think such a bot would take care of the more obvious ones...like "cleavage" is almost always somewhat lewd. However there's many posts where there are no "suggestive" tags present but just the way the character is posing would be considered suggestive and would need a human eye.

SOHEI said:
I think the approval queue would make sense. I mean, we have a tag called "tagme". Couldn't we have a tag called "reviewme", too?

I was thinking something a bit more advanced like they have over on R34 where posts are filtered into an approval queue before they are even posted, instead of something that has to be visited and trimmed down after the fact, because in the latter case you'd still have people complaining because they would see the "unsafe" posts in the interim period between posting and whenever a mod gets around to curating them.

The only difference between this site and R34 is Safebooru would require more moderation because the other site lets all the bot posts through assuming that most of them are OK, however in this case the bot is the issue and is probably the account that would need the most moderation.
Night_Wing
12/31/20 01:29PM
The only difference between this site and R34 is Safebooru would require more moderation because the other site lets all the bot posts through assuming that most of them are OK, however in this case the bot is the issue and is probably the account that would need the most moderation.


Thats because its automatic and since the bot is taking all pictures directly from danbooru sometimes it takes the wrong ones as well so do not hesitate flagging said pictures again

Help us so we can help you :)
kielan
01/01/21 04:19PM
A community-driven website like this one, needs its a community to report that which is not SFW and tag appropriately.

If everyone does this, then the problem is already solved, adding truely safe and extra tags will just create another sub genre and leave the majority out.

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